If this was an all out battle with no restrictions,goku would obliterate the verse with a pinky finger using god knows percent of his power. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the AskScienceFiction community. Kenshiro 1 shots, Ultra instict is just the basics of all basics when it comes to martial arts manga/anime, its just the experience taking over no mental thinking needed, kenshiro has been able to do this for evver. Well the episode of Dragon Ball Super 129 already shown some ridiculous feats. I just said that goku can't move faster than his body can permit him to do.

The basis of "your" argument is: "Kenshiro gets past the Ki Barriers... Because...".

With Ultra Instinct and this. I'd say that it's because Kryptonians are latent psychics that they can do this, but Lois Lane practiced Torquasm Rao as well, IIRC. Not 5 seconds, that's not enough!! Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. Along with not completely mastering the form.

Their thought speed is equal. Dragon Ball characters have internal damage resistance feats. The aforesaid allows him to do battle on the mental plane. Which every single debater who argued for Goku brought up on the other sites. The literal one argument that can be made for Ken.

@zokologue3: So I went to other forums. Also while tagging Ultra Instinct obviously isn't impossible. That's how Ultra Instinct works defensively and offensively.

2 years ago Ganstaz003 Well that's not exactly the case, since the ultra instinct only give goku the ability to dodge without thinking. Even if it's "0 seconds", it's still a time, and that can be equalized...you're basically suggesting we remove the box entirely. He's been doing UI since the 90s. You did not even present an argument. Goku's will be able to figure out Kenshiro strikes pressure points and from then on he will not leave them exposed for the remainder of the fight. Especially one to the head.

AnimeToons Recommended for you. Both of these fighters have bodies that respond to attacks on their own without input from the fighter. Like this. @mee09: With stats equal that means the barriers would be on Ken's level, Ken has more hax than Goku who just has UI. Goku doesn't need to react at all while his enemies do. But I feel like there are more arguments that can be made for hI'm than just. Pressure points included.

Ken stomps. All Goku has to do is stop leaving his vulnerable. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Just two comics, featuring Pre-Crisis Superman and Rebirth Supergirl.

Dragon Ball characters have internal damage resistance feats.

The technique itself doesn't have to be new or innovative to make an impact on the fight.

Torquasm Rao is a physical martial art that allows them to basically enter an Ultra Instinct-type state, which happens to defend them from psychic attacks as well.

Equal stats.

Which he should still be able to do.

Kenshiro (Musou Tensei) and Superman (Torquasm Rao) have already mastered a stronger form of the ultra instinct, before, and yet, nobody made such a fuss about that. The issue I'm having that if an opponent has a reaction time, and Goku doesnt...then wtf do I equalize reaction time to?

With Ultra Instinct Kenshiro won't be able to win if Goku doesn't leave his pressure points exposed.

Torquasm Vo is a purely mental martial art that allows two practitioners, or a practitioner and a telepath, to take their battle to a mental plane, waging psychic warfare against one another.

I picked that last line out of a hat n went with it. Kenshiro eventually. Is that Dragon Ball characters have already shown resistance to Kenshiro's technique.

Ken is a much better h2h fighter than either gohan or piccolo.

Kenshiro's attacks wont make it past the barrier. @metaljimmor: That makes alot more sense, equalizing base. Goku: Do you mean I'm going to see a lot of shooting stars? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Jiren was faster and stronger than Goku when he first fought him in Ultra Instinct and Jiren was unable to land an attack. Complete Ultra Instinct Goku vs Superman.

So what you are saying is that the battle is going to end in a stalemate, since they can't hurt each others?

Goku vs Superman - Duration: 1:47. And no, Dragon ball characters doesn't have internal damage resistance, what buu did was just entering th body of vegito.

And the pressure points techniques are just a +, The musou tensei allows kenshiro to use the techniques of his fallen rivals: Rei, Toki, Shin, Shu, Ruyga and Souther. Plus, real world martial artists already train their bodies to react to things without them needing to think.

Equal stats means equal reaction time and body movement, but Ultra Instinct bypasses reaction time by having the body respond for Goku.

And even then, hasn't Goku technically been the whole martial arts business longer, especially since he's innately hardwired to fighting.

Doesn't DBS goku have a body that can withstand 100x gravity or 500x gravity, something amongst those lines? Did you watch Jojo's bizarre adventure? And if goku catches Kenshiro's fist, then goku's fingers would explode (Gōkin Bundan Kyaku).

Goku is not going to make realistic movements or dodges. With Ultra Instinct Kenshiro isn't actually going to land an attack at first. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It's pointless comparing Dragon Ball Z characters in battles to characters from other franchises / fictional universes. Equal stats Ken wrecks. Try … If Goku can't he loses. I'd imagine in this scenario that reaction time is the same for both of them in their normal state of mind. The first points effected will be on Goku's hands.

Prove that he can tag Goku enough to pummel through it with Ultra Instinct. Kenshiro still can't touch Goku and Goku wins by using undetectable movements.

Also Kefla was stated to have more raw power than Ultra Instinct Goku during that point in time.